First Crown Research Presents: An Interview with Ryan J. Morris of Meson Capital
Here at First
Crown we've been fortunate enough to interview Ryan J. Morris, president of
Meson Capital. Based in San Francisco,
Meson is an entrepreneurial activist hedge fund that invests in proven
businesses undergoing inflection points that they identify or cause. For more information on Meson, please visit
their website: www.mesoncapital.com Enjoy!
What has been your
best trade in terms of an annualized return, and what was that story like?
Though I am far better known as a long-focused investor, our
biggest short: Odyssey Marine (OMEX) has to be up there – the stock was $3.00
when we shorted it Oct 31, 2013, predicting it would be $0 within 12 months (or
be forced to do a dilutive equity raise).
Now, ten months later, the stock is around $1.30 (-66%) vs. the overall
market being up roughly 10% in that time.
We've added to it all the way down so if it files for bankruptcy in the
next month or two as we are predicting, it could exceed a 100% IRR.
The story has been fairly well publicized
in the business media
after we published a detailed investigative report at www.omextruth.com highlighting that the
company was worth $0 to shareholders. I
am much more interested in improving and building businesses like InfuSystem
(INFU) but the current highly-valued market conditions make me very happy that
I have built expertise on the short side over the years. We can focus completely
on business fundamentals and ignore the macro by being net-neutral exposed.
In Kathryn F.
Staley’s “The Art of Short Selling” she mentions how some short sellers like to
stay quiet on their positions. What do
you believe are some of the pros and cons on being a vocal short seller?
The economy is like a garden, tended to by the forces of the
free market: roses need to be watered, weeds need to be pulled. Free market forces work when “what you see is
what you get.” When the free market
mechanisms break down because of promotional false promises or other misleading
statements, a lot of harm can get done as money is diverted from useful
projects for the economy into ones that may only benefit insiders.
The pros of being vocal are pretty clear: if you contribute new
information or analysis to the market, you can potentially influence the outcome
and capture a much higher IRR if you are correct. For example, Bill Ackman with his MBIA short:
their AAA rating created a chain of value destructive events by allowing
subprime “AAA-backed” CDOs to hide the fact that their holders (banks, AIG)
were terribly undercapitalized given the real risk. Similarly, a company raising money from
investors with zero chance of producing a return should be required to state
that in its press releases. Otherwise
you have the two-headed destruction of investors losing their money and wasting
their valuable time sitting on the edge of their seat waiting for the “lottery
numbers” to be called.
As with activism on the long-side, the costs are significant
but manageable and amortize with experience.
One must be very careful with what they say and only make critical
statements that can be supported by hard facts (our OMEX report had over 150
footnoted references) and appropriately qualified opinion. In general, companies will only sue as a
bully tactic if they think they can suppress criticism (that is likely
accurate), but states have continued to erect SLAPP laws to prevent this kind
of behavior. The other cost for being a
vocal short is that there are only so many shares to borrow so you can risk a
short squeeze or increase in borrow costs if your research is more popular than
it is accurate or impactful.
All those things taken together and given that economic
gravity will tend to win out over the long run means that I would only ever
want to be a vocal short on a particularly nefarious situation where I believed
I could really cause a transformative impact.
What are some of the
most common GAAP discrepancies that the market generally doesn’t understand?
GAAP, like democracy, is the worst system except for all the
others… The biggest one I have seen up
close is for financial companies (especially for non-banks) where GAAP requires
consolidation of debt based on control even if a controlled entity is
“bankruptcy-remote” (i.e. the parent isn’t really on the hook for the debts of
the child). This was one of the highest
IRR investments I ever made back in 2009: aircraft leasing companies have SPVs
that own aircraft and use securitized debt to finance them. The stocks (AER, AYR are still independent)
dropped down to the level of their holding company cash so even if all their
aircraft were written off to $0 the stocks were net-net’s. In reality, new
aircraft are highly secure assets as the old less fuel efficient planes become
worthless first. Those stocks increased
5X in less than a year which was a major contributor to our incredible performance
in 2009.
Other things to look out for: Percentage-Of-Completion
accounting or any kind of accounting where you can book revenues before
actually receiving the cash (typically more interesting as shorts). Deferred
revenue is becoming more important to understand now for subscription businesses
as cloud computing businesses have this model.
Operating lease accounting and understanding that hidden liability is
also often misunderstood. Retailers are
the worst for this – the GAAP financials can make a retailer look modestly or
unlevered but when you include the operating leases and the inherent operating
leverage in the business retailers can decline VERY fast when they do – see
Aeropostale now vs 2 years ago for a good example of this.
What are some of the
key components that make the perfect storm for an activist investor, which may
not be evident or explicit from public filings?
I feel like I have been very lucky
to see more ‘perfect storms’ before my 30th birthday last week than
most investors see in their entire career!
I have never had any problem with pain tolerance or dedication but there
are some things in business where, like a storm, some factors are just too
distant from your sphere of influence.
The worst of these that I have seen that I will never repeat is when a
small company has a commercial contract with a large company and the investment
thesis revolves around that contract being enforced. Note financial contracts are very different
and typically very clear-cut to enforce but commercial contracts related to
specific performance are always much more vague than you would expect as an
outsider.
Let me put it this way: 1) When a
CEO, who is bad enough to be fired by an activist, negotiates a big commercial
contract against a big company with a whole legal team – there are going to be
weaknesses and 2) Even IF a contract is solid, enforcing it against a major
vendor or customer would take years through the courts and the small company
might be dead by then. Of course, these
kinds of agreements are never filed in whole publicly (they will at least have
redactions) which makes it that much harder as an outsider.
For example, there was a certain
regional airline that had a cost-plus operating contract with a major
airline. They operated as promised until
a dispute broke out between management teams and the major realized that they
could make it physically impossible for the regional to operate on time by
scheduling flights over top of each other and with connections that left before
the other landed, etc. As I said,
specific performance is always a messier proposition than a financial: $X wired
on Y date – this led to late performance penalties that the regional was
powerless to avoid!
Interestingly, I have encountered
this storm on three occasions – at HearUSA (my first activist situation back in
2010), Pinnacle Airlines, and Lucas Energy.
At HearUSA, we tripled our money because we were able to create a
bidding war for the asset after their main supplier Siemens forced them into
bankruptcy. I am always proud that I
only have to learn hard lessons ONCE but in this case I got to learn it NET
once as it worked out well the first time so it took two times getting banged
over the head to unlearn from the first success at HearUSA. It’s always important not to learn the wrong
lessons and we are all most susceptible to doing so after early success.
With a computer and engineering background why value investing? Why didn't you go try to start a tech startup, surely that would have been more lucrative?
Interesting question – especially since I now find myself
living in SF. My answer all comes down
to understanding risk and competitive edge.
I think in general you see the biggest innovations where two disciplines
intersect and I’m hoping to contribute to that at my unique background being both
an activist investor and a software engineer.
There is no question that if your goal was to make $1 billion as fast as
possible, starting a technology company is the way to go – the media is filled
with stories of WhatsApp and Instagram and other companies that created huge
fortunes in a couple short years. The
problem is that you don’t see the thousands of other companies in those markets
with similar features that ended up being worthless and their (often equally
smart and hardworking) founders have battle-scars and investor losses to show
for their efforts: that’s capitalism.
The key problem for a new startup is that if the market for a new
product or service is obvious and measurable then you are too late: a bigger
competitor will already be there (There will never be another Facebook or Google…); so you have to always take a certain
amount of existential risk that a
market will even exist for your new company.
I actually started a software company right after graduating
called VideoNote and we were profitable in our first year because we had no
chance of turning it into a huge exit in a year. We picked up customers one at a time while
keeping our expenses really low. Now, profitable by the end of the first year
does not mean profitable from day 1 like buying a dividend paying ETF or
something – we had no revenue and LOTS of stress for the first 8 months while
we built the product and attempted to find revenue. That was one of the most valuable experiences
of my career and I’d never trade that experience of building something from
scratch with all the associated pain for an MBA degree.
You could paint a career risk/reward spectrum where on one
end a traditional money managers tweak an index of large caps, over / underweight
a little bit here or there and on the other end: starting one company from scratch. I realized that I had really unique set of
experiences being familiar with both ends of the spectrum so decided to take
some of the best of both worlds. The other
darker part of the answer is that I’ve always believed that over time,
low-value added jobs will be replaced with automation and I think you’re
already seeing that with index funds in the financial industry… The entrepreneurial activist approach that I
have tried to develop at companies like InfuSystem is where we can take
something that is already proven but wasn’t being run well or
strategically. You’re not going to get a
1000X return like starting Dropbox but you could still make 3-10X but more importantly,
you’ve very unlikely to lose money when you chose your opportunities carefully
(which comes from good judgment, learned by experience, earned from bad
judgment!). Recently, we spent the last
couple years codifying all of the investment lessons and screens that we could
automate to build a really unique software platform so we can search through
companies and allocate expensive human research effort dramatically more
effectively.
Could you give us an
update on InfuSystem?
InfuSystem (INFU) has firmly entered the fun part of an
activist project for me where decisions now revolve around growth and strategy. We have the right entrepreneurial CEO, Eric
Steen, firmly in place and continually increasing the quality of the management
team and the business. The big risk to
the business that unexpectedly landed on us literally the week I took the
Chairman position in April 2012 was CMS competitive bidding. Just last
week it was announced that infusion pumps are not being included in the
next round which is great to see. Within
the business it’s truly remarkable what Eric has been able to do in a bit over
a year – revenue is growing double digits and both revenues and profits are at
record highs and just starting to build momentum. There is always a lag effect for financials
as good numbers are just a consequence of the thousands of little things that
come from smart people working hard together.
If tomorrow you had
to go all in on one fund, other than Meson, who’s would it be and why?
If I didn’t have all my investable net worth in Meson, I’d
say Joel Greenblatt’s systematic Gotham fund (“Magic Formula” was the precursor
to this). Over time I have come to
believe that there are two fundamental ways to outperform over time.
1) As a true entrepreneur/business person where you bring
real world experience to the table and the ability to help shape the future
path of a company – activism fits in this category and creating real new
economic value is always uncorrelated with overall market movements.
2) Systematically capturing fundamental investment factors
that are mispriced for structural reasons: magic formula (cheap+good) would be
one of many examples of these factors.
Doing either of these strategies well requires significant upfront
investment to build business experience in case 1) or software in case 2).
Most investors fall somewhere in between and I think are
basically bouncing around on waves they aren't even aware exist (either
internal business fundamental change that investor #1 would understand or
higher level fundamental factors investor #2 is deliberately capturing). The quintessential example is a value investor
who bought a particular housing stock in 2012 because it had a low Price/Book
and the stock doubled – what lesson do you take from that? That Low P/B stocks are great? Buying all low P/B stocks over time can
outperform the market by a little bit and is a well known and followed factor –
why not buy all low P/B stocks if that’s your true thesis? On closer inspection, the whole housing index
doubled so that investor could have had the same return with way less risk by
doing that, but it was a blind spot because they were just focused on a narrow
piece of the puzzle. This is a very
tough if not impossible business to separate signal from noise if you are only
looking at the end result (returns) – investors need to really look deep to the
true fundamentals within a company, its people, and its broader industry.
What’s on your
ipod/iphone?
I just use Pandora since I don’t have enough time to
download songs anymore – recent stations: Eminem, Lana Del Rey, Beethoven,
Benny Benassi, Modest Mouse
Anything else you’d
like to add?
I would just leave by saying that I started out in this
business by reading the works of all the famous investors, Buffett, Graham,
Klarman, Greenblatt, etc. Those
investors are brilliant and have been so generous to share what they know but
the world is different now: sophisticated hedge funds have so much capital that
they will arbitrage any inefficiency that can be modeled easily and the markets
are at all-time high valuations ever (for the median stock, the mean was higher
in 2000 briefly carried by large caps).
What does that all mean? The easy
money has been made and the only way to outperform now is to have a truly
defensible competitive advantage that is hard to replicate. That’s always the question investors should
ask themselves going into any situation just as they would if they were
starting an operating business. If you
don’t have a good answer then you’re almost certainly on the other side of
someone else’s edge.